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    Historical Ranking: GERMANY

    [Last updated: end of 2008-2009 season]

    Rank Club Points
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12
    13
    14
    15
    16
    17
    18
    Bayern Munchen
    Dynamo Dresden
    Borussia Dortmund
    Werder Bremen
    Borussia Monchengladbach
    Hamburger SV
    VfB Stuttgart
    1. FC Koln
    1. FC Kaiserslautern
    Eintracht Frankfurt
    FC Carl Zeiss Jena
    FC Schalke 04
    Erzgebirge Aue
    Hansa Rostock
    1. FC Nurnberg
    Rot-Weiss Erfurt
    Hannover 96
    VfL Bochum
    464
    187
    182
    180
    179
    175
    159
    146
    142
    134
    131
    131
    119
    117
    116
    98
    88
    81
    Rank Second Tier Clubs Points
    19
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    25
    26
    27
    28
    29
    30
    31
    32
    33
    34
    35
    36
    Bayer Leverkusen
    Karlsruher SC
    Hertha Berlin
    Fortuna Dusseldorf
    MSV Duisburg
    1860 Munchen
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Energie Cottbus
    Arminia Bielefeld
    1. FC Union Berlin
    SC Freiburg
    VfL Wolfsburg
    Kickers Offenbach
    FC St. Pauli
    Alemannia Aachen
    Rot-Weiss Oberhausen
    1. FSV Mainz 05
    VfL Osnabruck
    79
    79
    74
    71
    70
    66
    63
    61
    53
    50
    46
    39
    38
    32
    30
    25
    23
    17
    Rank Third Tier Clubs Points
    37
    38
    39
    40
    41
    42
    43
    44
    45
    46
    47
    48
    49
    50
    51
    52
    53
    54
    55
    56
    SpVgg Unterhaching
    Greuther Fuerth
    Wuppertaler SV Borussia
    Rot-Weiss Ahlen
    Wacker Burghausen
    FC Augsburg
    FSV Frankfurt
    1899 Hoffenheim
    SC Paderborn 07
    SV Wehen Wiesbaden
    TuS Koblenz
    Bayern Munchen II
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    SSV Jahn Regensburg
    1. FC Heidenheim 1846
    Borussia Dortmund II
    Holstein Kiel
    SV Sandhausen
    VfB Stuttgart II
    Werder Bremen II
    16
    13
    11
    8
    5
    4
    4
    3
    3
    3
    2
    1
    1
    1
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    Rank Non-league & Defunct Clubs with 10+ Points
    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12
    13
    14
    15
    16
    17
    18
    19
    20
    21
    22
    23
    24
    25
    26
    27
    28
    29
    30
    31
    Berliner FC Dynamo
    Frankfurter FC Viktoria ‘91
    1. FC Magdeburg
    FSV Zwickau
    Hallescher FC
    Lokomotiv Leipzig
    BSG Chemie Leipzig
    Chemnitzer FC
    Rot-Weiss-Essen
    Bayer 05 Uerdingen
    Dresdner SC
    Stahl Riesa
    1.FC Saarbrucken
    SV Waldhof Mannheim
    1.FC Lok Stendal
    SC Fortuna Koln
    Stuttgarter Kickers
    SG Wattenscheid 09
    SV Babelsberg 03
    SV Darmstadt 98
    FC Homburg/Saar
    SV Dessau 05
    Tennis Borussia Berlin
    Stahl Brandenburg
    SV Stahl Thale
    1. SV Gera
    Borussia Neunkirchen
    FC Weissenfels
    SV Meppen
    Meeraner SV
    VfR Mannheim
    189
    144
    142
    114
    101
    100
    94
    82
    51
    44
    32
    32
    31
    31
    30
    24
    24
    22
    21
    21
    17
    16
    16
    15
    14
    12
    12
    12
    11
    10
    10

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    The ABOUT A BALL Ranking is a progressive points scoring system devised by our statisticians to grade each league club according to their historical achievements since the beginning of organised football in that country. We felt such a ranking was necessary in order to help settle age old debates about which is the biggest/best club in each country and which ones historically merit a top division place. Of course, there are only a limited number of places available in the top division of any given country, so who really are the sleeping giants in the lower divisions and which clubs are currently flying well above their historical status?

    NOTES: The ranking shows the 72 teams currently competing in the top three levels of German football. They have been split into three tiers according to their scores to show which division their historical record would place them in. A further 65 clubs have registered points under the system since the Second World War but have either folded or dropped out of the top divisions. The bottom section of the table shows all those clubs with ten or more points.

    Due to the particularities of German history it proved much harder to come up with a reasonable ranking system for Germany than for any other country. Although German football dates back to the dawn of the 20th century and beyond, we decided to limit the ranking to post-war competitions because of the number of changes and irregularities before this time. For example, there was never a single national championship before the war, only regional groups who played off for the title. As the German empire expanded in the 1930’s and ’40’s the championship and the cup included (and were often won by) Austrian, Czech and French teams e.g. First Vienna FC, Rapid Wien. When football resumed after the war, Germany was split into two countries, the BRD in the west and the DDR in the east with separate leagues and cups. These were reunited in 1990 and a unified league began in the 1991/92 season. We decided to treat points gained from East and West German football equally, just as East German Marks were converted to Deutsch Marks at reunification.

    Immediately after the war, West German football continued on a regional basis with the regional Oberliga winners entering playoffs for the overall champion until 1963. The Bundesliga began in the 1963/64 season, and has continued as a single, national top division ever since. A new second level was created at the same time first time, although this took the form of five regional groups with playoffs for two promotion places. For the 1974/75 season this became two groups and in 1981 a national second division was created. This has remained unchanged except for the 1991/92 season when it was briefly regional to accommodate the inclusion of eastern clubs. The third level has always been regional and has changed frequently. In 2000/01 it was streamlined to just Nord and Sud groups above a fourth level of ten parallel divisions. The West German cup resumed after the war in the 1952/53 season.

    The East German league was much simpler to follow as it changed little between post-war resumption in 1949/50 and reunification at the end of 1990/91. There was always a single top division with between two and five regional divisions below it. The cup also ran from 1949/50 – 1990/91. There have been numerous name changes in German football, particularly regarding teams from the former East Germany. I have done my best to take all of these into account although the history of many clubs has become a bit murky due to the number of mergers, splits and reformations.

    How it works

    Points awarded as follows:

    Champions Cup Win +15
    Other European Trophy Win +10
    League Championship +10
    FA Cup Win +6
    League Cup Win +3
    Second Level Division Win +3
    Lower Division Win +1
    Season in top division +2
    Season in 2nd division +1
    Bonuses: Super Cup; Club Cup; Double +1

    NOTES SPECIFIC TO GERMANY: The league cup has not been included. (It is a small summer competition involving only 8 clubs). West German second level winners have been awarded points from 1963/64 onwards. Where there were two (regional) winners, both have been awarded points. Points have not been awarded for East German second level wins as it was never a national division. (I felt the regional divisions in East Germany were too weak to merit 3 points for the winners). Points for lower division wins have been awarded from 1994 onwards. Points for seasons in the top division were awarded from 1949/50-1990/91 in East Germany and from 1963/64 onwards (Bundesliga era) in West Germany / unified Germany. Seasons in the second division have scored points from 1981/82 onwards in West (& unified) Germany but were never credited for the regional DDR divisions.

    Criticisms and Improvements

    There is no account taken of when the points were scored, so a team could have scored most of their points a long time ago but still be ranked high up today. Also, teams who have been in the league longer will have had the possibility to accrue more points than newer clubs so a team who have experienced a recent period of success may be below a team who have underachieved consistently over time. Our system only takes account of on the pitch successes and not off the pitch factors such as attendance and annual budget which could indicate a big club. The About a Ball system could be improved (and also complicated) by including points for average attendances and annual budget/profit, dividing points totals by the number of years clubs have been in the league, or by giving less weight to points scored a long time ago. However, we feel that the passage of time should not be taken into account because staying power and longevity are indicators of a great club. Equally, small clubs enjoying a current period of success are not guaranteed to remain big. All in all, we are satisfied that the ranking shows the relative playing merits of the current league clubs based on historical success, and identifies clubs currently under or over achieving.

    Conclusions

    It’s no surprise to see Bayern topping the table – four European Cup triumphs and several more championships than anyone else put them well ahead of the rest. The fact that the points only date from 1945 mean that scores are lower than for other countries, and large gaps have not had time to develop among the field. The fact that Germany was previously two countries accounts for the high number of clubs that have scored points although almost half of those are still in single figures. Many teams have appeared fleetingly in the top flight only to drop back into obscurity.

    Over half (twelve) of the current top division clubs are in the historical top division. The other six would all normally be competing at the second level apart from Hoffenheim, whose meteoric rise in recent seasons has seen them climb well above their historic status. They are by far the smallest club currently in the top division. Of the six clubs in the top division of our ranking but not currently in the 1. Bundesliga, two are competing in the second division (Kaiserslautern and Hansa Rostock) whilst Dynamo Dresden, Carl Zeiss Jena, Erzgebirge Aue and Rot-Weiss Erfurt are in the third division. The latter five clubs all hail from the former East Germany (DDR) and have struggled economically since reunification but gradually some of the former DDR clubs are creeping back up through the divisions.

    The non-league and defunct clubs table makes for interesting reading. Berliner FC Dynamo (Dynamo Berlin) would be in third place overall, were they still a league club. However, their record is the most contrived of all the former DDR clubs and is almost entirely down to their ‘government aided’ ten championships in a row from 1979 to 1988. Eight of the next nine places are also occupied by former DDR clubs whose records would place them in the top two divisions.

    It is strictly forbidden to copy or reproduce these tables without permission. Any breach of copyright may lead to prosecution. The tables will be updated annually and any feedback on the results/corrections to data is welcome.

    aboutaball.com 2009

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